This conversation between Roger Ferguson, president and CEO of TIAA, and Hubert Joly, a senior lecturer at HBS and former CEO of Best Buy, is part of the "Managing Diversity" speaker series addressing the role of race in business and society. The series brings together leading scholars and business practitioners in conversations on the impact of systemic racism in business and in society, the policies and practices that have worked (and that haven’t) to ameliorate racism, and the critical ongoing leadership role that business must play.